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Stéphane Hessel (1 / 2): "Aubrey is my favorite candidate"

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Rilke, one of his favorite pastimes. According to his publisher, "Unworthy you! "A cry against indifference, went to over 500 000 copies. Maintenance.
Rue89: How do you explain the success of "indignation you! ? Stéphane Hessel:

I do not know where we are: 200, 300, 400, 500 000? I'm not following this very closely, and besides, I have no copyright.

But I am amazed by the number of people who want to buy this little book. One factor to success is surely the title. People are tired, they feel they do not understand what's happening, they want to change.

There have always been reasons to be indignant, but this need is stronger today. With Sarkozy's presidency, there are more and more people feel that certain issues are not resolved and it is something that does not work well in the system, whether in France or the world.

The first decade of the twenty-first century has gone wrong. The last decade of the twentieth century it had been a prosperous period between the fall of the Berlin Wall and the establishment by the UN millennium goals for development.

There have been major conferences: the Rio Declaration on Environment on Women in Beijing, Vienna on Human Rights and the Right to Development, Copenhagen on social integration ... These lectures were saying there are things to do!
And then, in 2001, after the towers fall, we experienced the rejection of these initiatives. It was the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq. United States, it is the Decade of George Bush. In France, it was the election of Sarkozy on which we had to resolve a number of problems he has not finally settled ...

All this justifies that when one receives in his face a little book of 25 pages that says: "Should be indignant, be resisted, it's sick! "It has this amazing effect.

"Unworthy you" would never have been so successful if it was a big book, I think, for example the book by Susan George ["Their attacks, our solutions," ed] that you see on the table: this excellent book which says much better what I'm trying to say ... but is 350 pages.

Sartre, you mention in your little book, said: "It is always right to revolt." Is there a difference between the revolt that he dearly wanted, and outrage you advocate?

It is an important distinction. The "you rebel" Sartre recalls the October revolution, perhaps in May 1968 [it is also a slogan of Mao Zedong, nldr] highlight important but which have not resulted in real change in terms of justice and democracy.

Dignity is an interesting term. It appears in Article I of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [Hessel which was one of the editors, note]: "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood. "

dignity, rather than rebellion, is something that marks the human individual. The citizen is proud of his manhood, and when she seems to appeal, it is normal that he was indignant.

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Do you think we need today is to revolt "individual" rather than as collective? were most in need of radical change and reform. In France, for example, we need a republic other than the Fifth, more democratic. These major changes can be obtained by an action to which all citizens can participate aware, ready to indignant and resist what is likely to lead to "I can not help it," it's like that, "there is nothing to do" ...

Is this going to then lead a revolt ? Maybe, but I guess something rather non-violent. What I ask people is to get out of their indifference and their discouragement, to mobilize their energies to say it has to be done, provided we resist as withstood time the German Occupation . I mention elsewhere in the little book program of the National Council of Resistance who said these are strong values on which to rely for things to go in the right direction.

Specifically, when discussing the mobilization of energy, what kind of commitments do you advise?

There are lots of things to do, and they are within reach of everyone. We must fight against such an economy completely dominated by profit and can do so by engaging in such social economy. This can be done by citizen organizations, there are a number, and exit from the shackles of neoliberal economics and financialized

... You talk about organizations you cite even in the book Attac, Amnesty International, FIDH, but you do not call to campaign in political parties ...

Subscribe in a party vote for a party, that's fine. But my little book encourages its readers to go beyond, to become active citizens, to invest their energy in the environment, fight against injustice, immigrant advocacy ... All things that the parties should certainly look , but are they enough? If they do not, they need to grow there!

I do not underestimate the role of political parties. A democratic state can not function without them. I even affection personal two of them:

the Socialist Party

one hand (and I stand with all my heart Martine Aubry, who did a remarkable job);

Europe Ecology

other First, a list which I left register, the last regional elections.

I wish only to legislation that will follow the presidential election of 2012, several leftist parties are working together: Communists, greens, socialists, and even Republican candidates in the center. But beware: do not they have four different candidates the presidential election. I see only two possible candidates in the current state: Martine Aubry, Dominique Strauss-Kahn.

But Dominique Strauss-Kahn, head of the IMF, which is among the institutions that you denounce ...

DSK took the IMF at a time when he had to withdraw, but it is being transformed quite useful. We do not yet know all that well DSK did. For example, the IMF does more structural adjustments, that's progress.

Personally, I prefer Martine Aubry: I consider it more vigorously left, but I know, to know that Strauss-Kahn is also a man left. If he becomes president, he will reform the French economy by the same lines as those he has supported time Jospin or Rocard.

There was one left in France who did things, I think the RMI, the universal health coverage ... And it can do more tomorrow.

With this little work, you become an icon for a left far more radical than those who support or DSK Martine Aubry. How do you live?

I've never been sensitive to the extreme left. When I defended the undocumented, people told me: "You have to legalize them all! "I told them I "No, you need a smart policy. If we decide to legalize everyone, it leads to disaster. "The speech

extreme left, even in the mouth of a man like Mélenchon, which has sides very friendly, does not seem to me the answer. The answer is social democracy.

It looks to be an old word, but it is very modern. It's not giving himself to an ideology that will advance society: we will do a balanced and democratic reform. Ideologies have done much evil, communist ideology as the ideology neoliberal. We must listen to people, knowing what the unworthy, to understand what we can work with them, not tell them, as do the ideologues: that's what you do.

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